Comments on: The gloves come off in the 6th District http://www.pa2012.com/2009/12/the-gloves-come-off-in-the-6th-district/ Your destination for PA's Big 2012 Election Races Thu, 09 Feb 2012 00:20:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Congressional Races in PA 2010 Part 1 of 8 “PA-6″http://www.pa2012.com/2009/12/the-gloves-come-off-in-the-6th-district/comment-page-1/#comment-6568 Congressional Races in PA 2010 Part 1 of 8 “PA-6″ Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:00:59 +0000 http://www.pa2010.com/?p=5019#comment-6568 [...] the Dem side you have Doug Pike and Manan Trivedi in a shouting match for who is more civil and [...] [...] the Dem side you have Doug Pike and Manan Trivedi in a shouting match for who is more civil and [...]

]]> By: Congressional Races in PA 2010 Part 1 of 8 “PA-6″ — Keystone Conservativehttp://www.pa2012.com/2009/12/the-gloves-come-off-in-the-6th-district/comment-page-1/#comment-6504 Congressional Races in PA 2010 Part 1 of 8 “PA-6″ — Keystone Conservative Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:13:05 +0000 http://www.pa2010.com/?p=5019#comment-6504 [...] the Dem side you have Doug Pike and Manan Trivedi in a shouting match for who is more civil and [...] [...] the Dem side you have Doug Pike and Manan Trivedi in a shouting match for who is more civil and [...]

]]> By: David Dianohttp://www.pa2012.com/2009/12/the-gloves-come-off-in-the-6th-district/comment-page-1/#comment-6486 David Diano Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:55:36 +0000 http://www.pa2010.com/?p=5019#comment-6486 Pete- a) sestak will cause the waste of millions of Dem dollars that could win us 5 other senate seats if used against the republicans b) the degree of winning the past 5 senate electionsc) do you actually think that Sestak is not a selfish-hypocrite? Pete-
a) sestak will cause the waste of millions of Dem dollars that could win us 5 other senate seats if used against the republicans

b) the degree of winning the past 5 senate elections

c) do you actually think that Sestak is not a selfish-hypocrite?

]]> By: Petehttp://www.pa2012.com/2009/12/the-gloves-come-off-in-the-6th-district/comment-page-1/#comment-6480 Pete Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:17:26 +0000 http://www.pa2010.com/?p=5019#comment-6480 Re: <>a) sestak will beat specter b) what degree of "winning" would you attribute to a selfish hypocrite like arlen specter?(why a selfish hypocrite? knocks democrats in every national election for the last half century then turns on a dime to save his own ass) Re:
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a) sestak will beat specter
b) what degree of “winning” would you attribute to a selfish hypocrite like arlen specter?

(why a selfish hypocrite? knocks democrats in every national election for the last half century then turns on a dime to save his own ass)

]]> By: David Dianohttp://www.pa2012.com/2009/12/the-gloves-come-off-in-the-6th-district/comment-page-1/#comment-6458 David Diano Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:55:59 +0000 http://www.pa2010.com/?p=5019#comment-6458 Punk'd Sestak's congressman who "won the battle" for his seat but will likely "lose the war" to advance to a higher office. He's betrayed the progressives and anti-war crowd. He's been against single-payer, even voting in committee against allowing states to do single-payer themselves. He's screwed over local candidates by denying support and draining resources. He's built up a reputation as someone who cannot be trusted to put the party ahead of his own ambition or be a genuine partner in a team effort.As a result, his support is like tissue paper. There are many key people in his district that are paying him only lip service now, and will not lift a finger for him in the Primary.So, there are different degrees of "winning". If your real goal is Senate, and Congress was just a stepping stone, then you might not have "won" yet. Punk’d
Sestak’s congressman who “won the battle” for his seat but will likely “lose the war” to advance to a higher office.
He’s betrayed the progressives and anti-war crowd. He’s been against single-payer, even voting in committee against allowing states to do single-payer themselves. He’s screwed over local candidates by denying support and draining resources. He’s built up a reputation as someone who cannot be trusted to put the party ahead of his own ambition or be a genuine partner in a team effort.

As a result, his support is like tissue paper. There are many key people in his district that are paying him only lip service now, and will not lift a finger for him in the Primary.

So, there are different degrees of “winning”. If your real goal is Senate, and Congress was just a stepping stone, then you might not have “won” yet.

]]> By: David Dianohttp://www.pa2012.com/2009/12/the-gloves-come-off-in-the-6th-district/comment-page-1/#comment-6457 David Diano Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:39:02 +0000 http://www.pa2010.com/?p=5019#comment-6457 The 6thfuture- Exactly.Those of us engaging in grassroots, progressive efforts need to challenge the candidates and hold them to a higher standard (for their own good and the good of the party).If these guys aren't going to take some constructive criticism NOW from the "core" people paying attention, then we aren't going to have any influence on them LATER if they get into office.They need to know they have to choose: are they running for themselves, or to represent us?We don't want to get another Sestak, who's not responsive to the goals of progressives and the party. The 6thfuture-

Exactly.

Those of us engaging in grassroots, progressive efforts need to challenge the candidates and hold them to a higher standard (for their own good and the good of the party).

If these guys aren’t going to take some constructive criticism NOW from the “core” people paying attention, then we aren’t going to have any influence on them LATER if they get into office.

They need to know they have to choose: are they running for themselves, or to represent us?

We don’t want to get another Sestak, who’s not responsive to the goals of progressives and the party.

]]> By: You've been Punk'dhttp://www.pa2012.com/2009/12/the-gloves-come-off-in-the-6th-district/comment-page-1/#comment-6455 You've been Punk'd Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:51:09 +0000 http://www.pa2010.com/?p=5019#comment-6455 Dave isn't Sestak a Congressman? Interesting. Dave isn’t Sestak a Congressman? Interesting.

]]> By: The 6thfuturehttp://www.pa2012.com/2009/12/the-gloves-come-off-in-the-6th-district/comment-page-1/#comment-6442 The 6thfuture Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:34:46 +0000 http://www.pa2010.com/?p=5019#comment-6442 The party comes first, not the candidate. The party comes first, not the candidate.

]]> By: David Dianohttp://www.pa2012.com/2009/12/the-gloves-come-off-in-the-6th-district/comment-page-1/#comment-6439 David Diano Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:52:10 +0000 http://www.pa2010.com/?p=5019#comment-6439 Interesting. I've met Andrew, and he's a pretty nice guy. I think it's easy to get caught up in this. There's a campaign manager I like and consider a friend who vacillates between being a team-player for the party and "my candidate comes first".The CANDIDATE needs to set the rules of conduct. Is it "win at all costs" or "win with honor"? I don't think it was a coincidence that the 2006 Sestak campaign's staffers had "win at all costs" mentality and the "win with honor" staffers left the campaign early.The best and brightest in Delco will be working to keep the 7th district in Dem hands, and leaving Sestak to his own devices. The "win at all costs" pattern made him few friends or allies in the long term.Pike and Trivedi NEED to adopt a model like a basketball team. One of them will wind up the high-scorer, but in the meantime, they need to focus on beating the other team and occasionally passing the ball to each other or blocking the other team.If you guys are going to raise millions of dollars for a $174,000/year job (plus benefits), at least try to act like grownups and remember you are on the same team. Interesting. I’ve met Andrew, and he’s a pretty nice guy. I think it’s easy to get caught up in this.
There’s a campaign manager I like and consider a friend who vacillates between being a team-player for the party and “my candidate comes first”.

The CANDIDATE needs to set the rules of conduct. Is it “win at all costs” or “win with honor”?

I don’t think it was a coincidence that the 2006 Sestak campaign’s staffers had “win at all costs” mentality and the “win with honor” staffers left the campaign early.

The best and brightest in Delco will be working to keep the 7th district in Dem hands, and leaving Sestak to his own devices. The “win at all costs” pattern made him few friends or allies in the long term.

Pike and Trivedi NEED to adopt a model like a basketball team. One of them will wind up the high-scorer, but in the meantime, they need to focus on beating the other team and occasionally passing the ball to each other or blocking the other team.

If you guys are going to raise millions of dollars for a $174,000/year job (plus benefits), at least try to act like grownups and remember you are on the same team.

]]> By: Abluu bluuhttp://www.pa2012.com/2009/12/the-gloves-come-off-in-the-6th-district/comment-page-1/#comment-6434 Abluu bluu Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:49:32 +0000 http://www.pa2010.com/?p=5019#comment-6434 Too late at night for the campaign staffers to argue about this? Too late at night for the campaign staffers to argue about this?

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